Call Agendas and Minutes - FTTdp

Led by:

Christopher Croot, Sven Ooghe

Attendees:

IPR declarations :

Meeting minutes: the minutes have been approved as uploaded on ARO and as written on the BBF FTTdp wiki page.

Incoming liaisons:

None

Led by: Joey Boyd, Ken Kerpez

Attendees:

WT-355 YANG Modules for FTTdp Management:

2017.446 - Changes for inclusion in WT-355c2

• xx

General

2017.485 - Awareness of new FTU Management Counter

• xx

Attendees:

Events and Notifications:

2017.332.00, 2017.425.00, 2017.442.00

Ethernet:

2017.323.01, 2017.373.00

Performance monitoring:

2017.339.00

QoS:

2017.369.00, 2017.444.00

Attendees:

SPAC readout on NC/Y and FTTdp testing needs:

2017.435.00 (NPIF), 2017.452.00

WT-355a1 YANG Modules for FTTdp Mgmt:

2017.392.00

WT-383a1 Common YANG Modules for Access Networks, cont.

Security:

2017.337.00

Hardware:

2017.370.00, 2017.385.00

Other:

2017.264.00, 2017.336.01, 2017.338.00, 2017.384.00

Led by: Les Brown, Dong Wei

Attendees :

General

2017.485 - Awareness of new FTU Management Counter

WT-301 Arch and Req for FTTdp:

2017.493 - DPU daisy chaining

2017.496 - Alternative DPU backhaul

i2 FTTdp on Common G.fast and RPF:

FTTdp Management Interop and Testing

OD-379 Interoperability Test Plan for FTTdp PMA/DPU

Management Interface:

2017.452 - Copper Interface Status test proposal

Led by:

Attendees:

OD-360 Best Current Practices for developing YANG models:

2017.183.00

WT-383a1 Common YANG, cont.

Agree next steps

Finalize outgoing liaisons

Teleconference schedule

Closing plenary slides

Led by:

Sven Ooghe

Attendees: Sumithra Bhojan, Joey Boyd, Dong Wei, Nick Hancock

Meeting minutes: the minutes have been approved as uploaded on ARO and as written on the BBF FTTdp wiki page.

Incoming liaisons:

2016.1237.00: ITU-T Q4 on requirements for mobile backhaul. No action required (deadline for feedback passed)

2016.1247.00: ETSI TM6 on PE-PEB for Reverse Power Feeding

Should have been covered during the comment resolution of WT-301 issue 2. Dong will check with Mike.

2016.1267.00: IEEE 802.3 reply to BBF laison on "Low Power Modes for Fibre backhaul for FTTdp". Informational, no action required.

2016.1286.00: SG15 reply to liaison on “Low Power Modes for Fibre backhaul for FTTdp”. Informational, no action required.

2017.073.00: TM6 on additional RPF OAM and DPU Managed Objects. BBF in copy, sent to us for information. No action required at this time.

2017.091.00: SG15 on G.997.2 IARBANDS managed object

Has been integrated in the latest WT-355 YANG modules, no further action needed.

Led by: Joey Boyd, Ken Kerpez

Attendees: Lincoln Lavoie, Martin Casey, Ken Kerpez, Sven Ooghe, Joey Boyd

OD-379 Interoperability Test Plan for FTTdp PMA/DPU Management Interface:

2017.120.00, "Parameter Read/Write Tests Proposal" (Kerpez, Ken, ASSIA; Peter Silverman, ASSIA; Drzymala, Marcin, Orange)

• Agree to adopt the two proposed test cases as working text into OD-379.

2017.211.00, "DPU-PMA discovery tests proposal" (Drzymala, Marcin, Orange; Parol, Pawel, Orange; Kerpez, Ken, ASSIA)

• Agree to adopt the proposed test setups, with the the following change: the packet sniffer should be connected to the HON port, configured to mirror the traffic on the access link.
• Agree to adopt the four proposed text cases, adding the following editors note:
  • The verification of TLS parameters is subject to the availability of these parameters outside of the encrypted channel.

WT-355c1 YANG Modules for FTTdp Mgmt (Passed FB):

2016.1241.03

• Reviewed for information, WT-355c1 is in the process of being published on public Github

2017.055.02

• Reviewed for information, all resolutions are green now

WT-355a1 YANG Modules for FTTdp Mgmt:

2017.132.00

• Agreed to put these changes into WT-355 Amd 1, in release 1.1 on Bitbucket

2017.126.00

• Frank Van der Putten to draft a liaison to ITU-T SG15/Q4, cc'd to ETSI, on Question 2.
• Agreed as baseline, subject to changing base identity depending on further work.

2017.129.00

• Discussed all issues, disposition is posted on JIRA:

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WT-298i2 Mgmt. model for DSL line test (Passed FB):

2016.386.04

• It was noted that WT-298i2 passed final ballot.

WT-355a1 YANG Modules for FTTdp Mgmt, cont.

Goto Call Agendas and Minutes - Common YANG#CommonYANG-2:Tuesday21stMarch2017(PM1;jointwithFTTdp)

Led by: Les Brown, Dong Wei

Attendees : about 30

Liaisons:

2017.240.00

• Agreed to the following revisions: remove the figure, reference to the figure in the original document; replace Olivier with Aleksandra as the liaison communication person to ETSI TM6

2016.1286.00

• Agreed to send a liaison to ITU-T Q2/15 and Q4/15 to address the issue about communication of low power mode information between the G.fast sub-system and the optical backhaul sub-system (Les Humphrey volunteered to prepare a draft liaison, which will be reviewed at a PHYtx session later this week)

2017.091.00

• No action needed as it has already been implemented in WT-355c1

WT-301 (FTTdp Architectures and Requirements):

WT-301i2 Final Ballot

• Agreed to make the following editorial change to WT-301i2: the sub-option numbers for DPU discovery and PMA offer from 160 and 161 to 192 and 193, respectively, and to inform the BBF secretary of the change 

2017.251.00

• No action needed as the authors only asked for feedbacks.

Led by: Sven Ooghe, William Lupton

Attendees: Joey Boyd, Richard Goodson, Nick Hancock, Ludwig Pauwels, Bjoern Nagel, Mike Shaffer, Ken Kerpez, Marta Seda, Raidu Rayasam, Samuel Chen, Charles Cook

Closing plenary slides were reviewed and agreed with the group

Proposed liaison bbf2017.240.02 on RPF over coax for G.fast was reviewed and agreed with the group

OD-360 Best Current Practices for developing YANG models:

2017.183.00

WT-383a1 Common YANG (new and updated proposals):

Retrospective on our experiences with YANG & how to improve the process:

Agree next steps

Finalize outgoing liaisons

Teleconference schedule

Closing plenary slides

Led by: Ken Kerpez,Joey Boyd

Attendees: William Lupton, Frank Van der Putten, Dave Hood, Marcin Drzymala, Tim Carey

Led by: Ken Kerpez

Attendees: William Lupton, Unknown User (marcosm@marvell.com), Tomer Cohen

William will look into getting interface type "Ghn" from IANA. YMGHN-10 - Getting issue details... STATUS

The addition of feature statements should be studied, particularly for domain-wide objects. Development branches were discussed.

It was agreed to merge the pull request containing this contribution into the develop branch of WT-374, subject to completion of the Marvell copyright declaration form.

Led by: Ken Kerpez, Joey Boyd

Attendees: William Lupton, Chris Croot, Frank Van Der Putten, Nick Hancock, Sven Ooghe, Marcin Drzymala, Nick Hancock, Dariusz, Robert Peschi, Mike Shaffer

Led by:

Sven Ooghe

Christopher Croot

Attendees:

Marta Seda, Sumithra Bhojan, Ludwig Pauwels

Dong Wei, Nick Hancock, Vincent Buchoux

Mike Shaffer, Toshi Kusano

Richard Goodson, Ilya Lifshits

Joey Boyd, Bjoern Nagel

No changes to the agenda as discussed. Noted that 1071.01 was uploaded post deadline. It was agreed to accept the revision 01.

No IPR Declarations

Meeting minutes as mentioned in the contributions and those that are uploaded on the Wiki were approved. URL for those on the Wiki needs to be added.

(AP - URL for Q3 Interim Meetings was added)

bbf2016.1047 - SG15 to BBF - Will be reviewed in join session, but feeling is that it is just an FYI. No action needed from FTTdp.

bbf2016.1046 - Documents from ITU-T -  More FYI and notification of taking into account our feedback. No action needed from FTTdp.

bbf2016.974 - Incoming Liaison from ETSI ATTM TM6 - Question on the maximum latency allowed when forwarding message. Appears to be an implementation question rather than something that needs to be specified. We are aware of the necessity to send the message as quickly as possible, but we would not specify a particular value as it would be left up to implementer. Will discuss during joint session on Tuesday 4pm with PhyTX.

bbf2016.978 - Response from IETF on YANG model work - Acknowledging the fact we are referencing their work and collaborating with them. Highlighting work ongoing on QoS YANG model which is currently a personal draft that may become a working group draft. FYI and no response required from FTTdp.

bbf2016.975 -   Valid range for specific objects - Actual number of bits per symbol. Highlighting that there was a mistake in their previous documentation. Joey Boyd to confirm if this change has been actioned or not. No response required.

AP - Joey Boyd confirmed that this change has been actions. No further action required. 

bbf2016.574 - Old liaison that was held open to await papers on the IL-338.  Text changes have been made.

AP - Christopher Croot to create text to send latest version of VDSL YANG model highlighting that we have changed the text in accordance with their comment.

 No contributions at this meeting. Marcin Drzymala has suggested that he has an intention to provide contributions.

It was also mentioned that there was a possibility of  holding an interim meeting to tackle the SB comment resolution for TR-301i2 and this could be held in Ipswich at BT some time mid to late Jan 2017.

The opening session was concluded. 

Led by:

Ken Kerpez

Joey Boyd

Attendees:

Christopher Croot, Sven Ooghe, Richard Goodson, Nick Hancock

Ludwig Pauwels, Marta Seda, Vincent Buchoux, Dong Wei

bbf2016.1105.00

• All comments accepted except for row 13 of the spreadsheet.
• Joey Boyd to make the edits to the document.
• Next step is to go to final ballot.

No new contributions. Current preference is to handle via conference calls.

bbf2016.1124.00

• Agreed to include the requirements in WT-393.
• Highlight the draft nature of schema mount.
• Joey Boyd to add descriptive text to further explain how the schema mount is used in this context.

bbf2016.1119.00

• Agreed to include in WT-393 some text/diagrams describing the relationships of how profiles are managed/stored by the various elements (NMS, PMAA, PMA, DPU).

Led by: Mike Shaffer, Dong Wei

Attendees:

Christopher Croot, Marta Seda, Sumithra Bhojan, Ludwig Pauwels, Richard Goodson, Ken Ko, Joey Boyd, Bjoern Nagel, Vincent Buchoux, Frank Van der Putten, William Lupton, Jan Erreygers, Ken Kerpez, Nick Hancock

bbf2015.1126.08 (Draft WT-301i2)

• Presented by Mike Shaffer

bbf2012.1466.24 (Issues List for WT-301i2)

• Presented by Dong Wei

bbf2016.1080.00 ("Proposed text for WT-301i2"; ADTRAN, Calix, Nokia)

• Presented by Ken Ko
• A number of edits to WT-301 are proposed: to add necessary references and definitions; to clarify the specification of DUID-EN; and to make the text and requirements regarding DPU-PMA authentication consistent with source RFCs.
• Proposed text were accepted. 

bbf2016.1179.00 (New TLVs for G.fast expected rate reporting; BT)

• Presented by Christopher Croot
• Table 14.1 of TR-301 still contains TBDs against the 2 ‘expected’ data rates for G.fast. This contribution proposes that these are now defined by the BBF.
• AP - Christopher Croot will work offline with Thomas Haag to propose a draft liaison to the IETF, which will be discussed at a teleconference.  

How the NETCONF capability should be handled in WT-301i2 was discussed. It was suggested that this issue be addressed in either WT-301i3 or OD-379.

Led by Les Brown, Dong Wei 

bbf2016.1201.00 (Liaison from TM6 to the BBF on the next steps for Reverse Power Feeding)

• Lincoln Lavoie summarized the course of action agreed by PHYtx. 

bbf2016.974.00 (Liaison from TM6 to the BBF on the subject of latency on OAM for Reverse Power Feeding)

• Aleksandra Kozarev summarized the liaison.
• Jan Erreygers: ETSI/TM6 is interested in measuring the instantaneous power/current. Thus, this delay value is useful.
• AP - Christopher Croot volunteered to draft a response. 

bbf2016.1056.00 ("Reverse power feed for coax"; AT&T, ADTRAN, Arris, Microsemi)

• Presented by Tom Starr
• Agreed to the proposed requirement for WT-301i2. 
• AP - The authors will draft a liaison to ETSI to include a use case and study the RPF behavior on coax from the CPE’s to the DPU, providing TR-285a1 coax cable model annex for further study. The draft liaison will be discussed at a teleconference.

bbf2016.1177.00 ("G.fast Timing and Sync Requirements"; BT)

• Presented by David Thorne
• The proposed agreements in bbf2016.1177.01 were agreed. 

bbf2016.1176.00 ("G.fast Vectoring Strategies and Their Management"; BT)

• Presented by David Thorne
• AT&T supported the proposal.
• Nokia, Calix, Intel, Metanoia, CommScope opposed to adopting the proposed requirements in WT-301i2
• The proposed requirements were not agreed. 

Led by: Ken Kerpez, Joey Boyd

bbf2016.1131.00 (Bonding Management: Adtran, Calix, and Nokia)

• Presented by Marta Seda and Joey Boyd
• Contains a new YANG module for Ethernet-based bonding of VDSL2 and G.fast, based on TR-159.
• There is an associated list of open issues. Two new issues came from discussion:
  • Implementation of when and must constraints in XML on the line should be validated. YMCMN-59 - Getting issue details... STATUS
  • How does the model attach to PTM or ATM through fastdsl or other interfaces.
• Accepted as a baseline model for bonding, to be further improved and should eventually be incorporated in WT-355. The model will go into Bitbucket, issues are to go into JIRA by November 18.

bbf2016.1071.02 (Errors found in TR-355 issue 1 (part 2): Nokia)

• Presented by Frank Van der Putten
• Sections 2, and 3: agreed to description change, and to add status deprecated to these parameters; description of 3: change “TR-355” to “this data model.”
• Sections 4, 5, agreed.
• Section 6 not agreed, not backward compatible.
• Section 7, 8, agreed.
• Section 9 not agreed, not backward compatible. Instead write in the description that all profiles must be configured, add description to direct or indirect attachment. (e.g., they are mandatory).
• Section 10. Need to move xtse into line-spectrum-profile. Agreed to deprecate xdsl-transmission-system-enabling and add a new xtse into line-spectrum-profile. Explain reason for deprecation in description. Also deprecate useless xtse in spectrum.
• Section 11, agreed, do not make mandatory.
• Section 12, not agreed.
• Section 13, agreed. Will deprecate part of the grouping.
• Agreed to incorporate these and previous changes in the YANG and send a corrigendum to WT-355a0 to straw ballot, with the shortest ballot cycle possible.

bbf2016.1082.00 (YANG Module for PON Uplink Identification: Adtran)

bbf2016.1081.00
(YANG Module for RPF: Adtran)

Attendees : Sven Ooghe, Christopher Croot, William Lupton, Ken Kerpez

Dong Wei, Marta Seda, Tom Starr, Joey Boyd, Jan Erreygers, Ludwig Pauwels

bbf2016.1039.01 presented by Ken Kerpez

Contribution about publication mechanics for YANG models.

Method of posting new releases, minor revisions, etc.

Tags can be used in github / Bitbucket

Suggested fairly simple tagging convention.

William Lupton presented the release timeline / diagram

Suggestion to take all this onto WiKi

Accepted the remove the separate hotfix. Agree to the baseline of the text.

Led by:

Christopher Croot, Sven Ooghe

Attendees:

William Lupton, Ken Kerpez, Dong Wei, Marta Seda, Tom Starr, Joey Boyd, Jan Erreygers, Ludwig Pauwels, Les Brown, Marcin Drzymala

Liaisons bbf2016.1224 & bbf2016.1225 reviewed and amended.

Revisions 01 agreed, posted to the secretariat and uploaded to ARO.

WT-298i2 agreed to have FB ready version to review on one of the interim teleconferences for the formal agreement to start the FB process.

Review of CP slides: