Call Agendas and Minutes - FTTdp

Led by: Christopher Croot

Those present : Christopher Croot, Nick Hancock, Ken Kerpez, Joey Boyd, Marcos Martinez

Agenda Approved - Note that contribution number was incorrect. The correct number was CONTRIB-200064

Approved

Led by: Ken Kerpez,Joey Boyd

Not agreed. While the naming is unfortunate, the nodes are OK from a technical perspective.

Led by: Ken Kerpez,Joey Boyd

Attendees: Christopher Croot, Nick Hancock, Marcos Martinez

Marcos Martinez presented the contribution which introduces new parameters into the model.

Proposal to adopt the proposed software for inclusion in the WT-374 model. There are about 10 parameters that are currently missing which will be provided for an interim conference call.

That should then mean the document could go to SB out of the conference call.

Document was approved for inclusion.

Led by: Ken Kerpez,Joey Boyd

Attendees:Frank Van der Putten, Sven Ooghe, Nick Hancock, Tom Starr, Christopher Croot, Michael Fargano

 Agreed as "proposed text." Joey to implement changes within a few weeks.

Led by: Ken Kerpez,Joey Boyd

Attendees: Marcos Martinez, William Lupton, Les Humphrey, Marcin Drzymala, Sven Ooghe, Bob Sinclair

Led by: Christopher Croot, Sven Ooghe

Attendees: Joey Boyd, Ludwig Pauwels, Nick Hancock,Chin-Ping Chuang (CHT), Ya-Ping Huang (CHT), Jose Salgado (Altice Labs), Robert Peschi

IPR declarations : no declarations

Meeting minutes: the minutes have been approved as uploaded on ARO and as written on the BBF FTTdp wiki page.

Incoming liaisons: None

Led by: Joey Boyd, Ken Kerpez

Attendees:

WT-355 YANG Modules for FTTdp Management:

2017.446 - Changes for inclusion in WT-355c2. The following items were discussed:

• Line 380 in bbf-fast-pointers.yang, agreed to update description

• Line 434 in bbf-vdsl-impulse-noise-protection-delay-profile-body.yang, agreed to deprecate upstream mdosplit and explain in the description that upstream + downstream = 100% so that's why upstream was deprecated.

• Line 476 in bbf-vdsl-impulse-noise-protection-delay-profile-body.yang, agreed to deprecate upstream and fix description

• Line 504 in bbf-vdsl-impulse-noise-protection-delay-profile-body.yang, agreed to deprecate upstream and fix description

• Line 119 in bbf-vdsl-line-spectrum-profile-body.yang, no change agreed

• Line 137 in bbf-vdsl-line-spectrum-profile-body.yang, agreed to add default "all" to power-management-mode

• Line 202 in bbf-vdsl-line-spectrum-profile-body.yang, agreed to add must statement: l2-maximum-aggregate-power-reduction-per <= l2-maximum-aggregate-power-reduction-total

• Line 253 in bbf-vdsl-mode-specific-psd-profile-body.yang, not agreed, no change made to upstream_psd_mask_selection

  • Agreed to add text to OD-360 noting that backward compatibility is more important than changing style issues.

• Line 152 in bbf-vdsl-noise-margin-profile-body.yang, agreed to expand the must statement for maximum-noise-margin by adding: or (max == "unbounded")

• Line 370 in bbf-vdsl-pointers.yang, leaf line-config-vector, no change agreed

• Line 380 in bbf-vdsl-pointers.yang, threshold-template, agreed to add to description field: "If no template is configured, then TCA reporting is disabled."

• Line 103 in bbf-vdsl-virtual-noise-profile-body.yang, grouping vn-descriptor, agreed to make max-elements be 16 for upstream and 32 for downstream

• Line 167 in bbf-vdsl-virtual-noise-profile-body.yang, virtual-noise-profile (downstream), agreed to add a must statement so that there cannot be a single element

• Line 219 in bbf-vdsl-virtual-noise-profile-body.yang, virtual-noise-profile (upstream), agreed to add a must statement so that there cannot be a single element

• Line 270 in bbf-vdsl-xtu-band-status-body.yang, upbo-electrical-length-pbn, agreed to add to description "For ADSL systems, a single parameter is defined for band = 0, as a single band is usable."

• Line 302 in bbf-vdsl-xtu-line-status-body.yang, profile, agreed to remove config false; (other spurious config false; occurrences should also be searched and destroyed)

• Line 420 in bbf-vdsl-xtu-line-status-body.yang, attndr-actual-method, agreed to change valid range to 0..2

It was agreed to create a WT-355 Corrigendum 2, post it on Bitbucket, and proceed to a rapid straw ballot

2017.485.01 - Awareness of new FTU Management Counter

• Notes that a new counter is being defined by the ITU for G.fast: All Normal Operation Interval (NOI) Error Free Throughput (ANDEFTR). This is likely to be consented by the ITU in June, there is no action by the BBF at this time but we should be ready for it.

Attendees:

Events and Notifications:

2017.332.00, 2017.425.00, 2017.442.00

Ethernet:

2017.323.01, 2017.373.00

Performance monitoring:

2017.339.00

QoS:

2017.369.00, 2017.444.00

Attendees:

SPAC readout on NC/Y and FTTdp testing needs:

2017.435.00 (NPIF), 2017.452.00

WT-355a1 YANG Modules for FTTdp Mgmt:

2017.392.00

WT-383a1 Common YANG Modules for Access Networks, cont.

Security:

2017.337.00

Hardware:

2017.370.00, 2017.385.00

Other:

2017.264.00, 2017.336.01, 2017.338.00, 2017.384.00

Led by: Les Brown, Dong Wei

Attendees :

Chris Croot, Sven Ooghe, David Thorne, Kevin Foster, Tony Zeng, Richard Goodson, Ken Kerpez, Frank Van der Putten, Aleksandra Kozarev, Fred Chu, Martin Casey, Sven Leimer, Herman Verbueken, Marta Seda, Tom Starr, Erez Ben-Tovim, Madhu Hegde, Mercel Reitmann, Eric Wang, Les Humphrey, Jo Maes, Macin Drzymala, Steve Chen, Marcos Matinez, Tomer Cohen

General

2017.485.01 - Awareness of new FTU Management Counter

• Presented by Chris Croot (BT)
• It has been presented at FTTdp session.
• This contribution is to make attendees of the work area aware that there is a new parameter being proposed for addition to ITU-T Recommendation G.997.2 that could be of benefit to include in some of the work of the BBF
• For information only

WT-301 Arch and Req for FTTdp:

2017.493.01 - DPU daisy chaining

• Presented by Dave Thorne (BT)
• Various topics were suggested as candidates for an Issue 3 of TR-301 (FTTdp) in BBF2017.251. One of these was the idea of daisy chaining DPUs to reduce backhaul costs.This contribution provides further details of that architecture and its implications for the DPU.
• The author did not ask for agreement at this time

2017.496 - Alternative DPU backhaul

• Presented by Dave Thorne (BT)
• This contribution proposes reconsideration of multi-pair bonded VDSL as a possible G.fast DPU backhaul
• The author did not ask for agreement at this time

i2 FTTdp on Common G.fast and RPF: No contribution

FTTdp Management Interop and Testing

OD-379 Interoperability Test Plan for FTTdp PMA/DPU

Management Interface:

2017.452 - Copper Interface Status test proposal

• Presented by Ken Kerpez (ASSIA, Orange)
• This contribution proposes a simple line status test as an initial check to verify a parameter read
  
• Agreed to the proposed test procedure without Step 7 

Discussion

It was mentioned that while contribution 2017.458 "G.fast RPF - PSE noise testing" is for PHYtx, a relevant contribution may be submitted for WT-301 in the future.

SPAC readout

2017.519 - SPAC readout on G.mgfast discussion

• Presented by Mauro Tilocca

Led by: Christopher Croot, Sven Ooghe

Attendees: 11

OD-360 Best Current Practices for developing YANG models:

2017.183.00

Finalize outgoing liaisons

Teleconference schedule

Closing plenary slides

WT-383a1 Common YANG, cont.

Led by:

Sven Ooghe

Attendees: Sumithra Bhojan, Joey Boyd, Dong Wei, Nick Hancock

Meeting minutes: the minutes have been approved as uploaded on ARO and as written on the BBF FTTdp wiki page.

Incoming liaisons:

2016.1237.00: ITU-T Q4 on requirements for mobile backhaul. No action required (deadline for feedback passed)

2016.1247.00: ETSI TM6 on PE-PEB for Reverse Power Feeding

Should have been covered during the comment resolution of WT-301 issue 2. Dong will check with Mike.

2016.1267.00: IEEE 802.3 reply to BBF laison on "Low Power Modes for Fibre backhaul for FTTdp". Informational, no action required.

2016.1286.00: SG15 reply to liaison on “Low Power Modes for Fibre backhaul for FTTdp”. Informational, no action required.

2017.073.00: TM6 on additional RPF OAM and DPU Managed Objects. BBF in copy, sent to us for information. No action required at this time.

2017.091.00: SG15 on G.997.2 IARBANDS managed object

Has been integrated in the latest WT-355 YANG modules, no further action needed.

Led by: Joey Boyd, Ken Kerpez

Attendees: Lincoln Lavoie, Martin Casey, Ken Kerpez, Sven Ooghe, Joey Boyd

OD-379 Interoperability Test Plan for FTTdp PMA/DPU Management Interface:

2017.120.00, "Parameter Read/Write Tests Proposal" (Kerpez, Ken, ASSIA; Peter Silverman, ASSIA; Drzymala, Marcin, Orange)

• Agree to adopt the two proposed test cases as working text into OD-379.

2017.211.00, "DPU-PMA discovery tests proposal" (Drzymala, Marcin, Orange; Parol, Pawel, Orange; Kerpez, Ken, ASSIA)

• Agree to adopt the proposed test setups, with the the following change: the packet sniffer should be connected to the HON port, configured to mirror the traffic on the access link.
• Agree to adopt the four proposed text cases, adding the following editors note:
  • The verification of TLS parameters is subject to the availability of these parameters outside of the encrypted channel.

WT-355c1 YANG Modules for FTTdp Mgmt (Passed FB):

2016.1241.03

• Reviewed for information, WT-355c1 is in the process of being published on public Github

2017.055.02

• Reviewed for information, all resolutions are green now

WT-355a1 YANG Modules for FTTdp Mgmt:

2017.132.00

• Agreed to put these changes into WT-355 Amd 1, in release 1.1 on Bitbucket

2017.126.00

• Frank Van der Putten to draft a liaison to ITU-T SG15/Q4, cc'd to ETSI, on Question 2.
• Agreed as baseline, subject to changing base identity depending on further work.

2017.129.00

• Discussed all issues, disposition is posted on JIRA:

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WT-298i2 Mgmt. model for DSL line test (Passed FB):

2016.386.04

• It was noted that WT-298i2 passed final ballot.

WT-355a1 YANG Modules for FTTdp Mgmt, cont.

Goto Call Agendas and Minutes - Common YANG#CommonYANG-2:Tuesday21stMarch2017(PM1;jointwithFTTdp)

Led by: Les Brown, Dong Wei

Attendees : about 30

Liaisons:

2017.240.00

• Agreed to the following revisions: remove the figure, reference to the figure in the original document; replace Olivier with Aleksandra as the liaison communication person to ETSI TM6

2016.1286.00

• Agreed to send a liaison to ITU-T Q2/15 and Q4/15 to address the issue about communication of low power mode information between the G.fast sub-system and the optical backhaul sub-system (Les Humphrey volunteered to prepare a draft liaison, which will be reviewed at a PHYtx session later this week)

2017.091.00

• No action needed as it has already been implemented in WT-355c1

WT-301 (FTTdp Architectures and Requirements):

WT-301i2 Final Ballot

• Agreed to make the following editorial change to WT-301i2: the sub-option numbers for DPU discovery and PMA offer from 160 and 161 to 192 and 193, respectively, and to inform the BBF secretary of the change 

2017.251.00

• No action needed as the authors only asked for feedbacks.

Led by: Sven Ooghe, William Lupton

Attendees: Joey Boyd, Richard Goodson, Nick Hancock, Ludwig Pauwels, Bjoern Nagel, Mike Shaffer, Ken Kerpez, Marta Seda, Raidu Rayasam, Samuel Chen, Charles Cook

Closing plenary slides were reviewed and agreed with the group

Proposed liaison bbf2017.240.02 on RPF over coax for G.fast was reviewed and agreed with the group

OD-360 Best Current Practices for developing YANG models:

2017.183.00

WT-383a1 Common YANG (new and updated proposals):

Retrospective on our experiences with YANG & how to improve the process:

Agree next steps

Finalize outgoing liaisons

Teleconference schedule

Closing plenary slides